country, charlie. he campaigned on this. e was elected on it, it doesn't matter. >> 50% of the vote on it. >> it doesn't matter, you know that as well as i do. it's only political. >> no, no, no, i'm not-- no, i'm not saying at, i'm saying that there's no rational reason. >> let me finish, charlie. >> and what is the rationality to treat a small business person who makes $250,000 a year and employs ten people just like steve jobs, warren buffett and-- >> and we quibble? >> let me finish. we can quibble about what the right amount is, whether it's $250,000 or whether it's 500,000, what the president is trying to do. >> and for a while, charles, help me with this part of it. whatever your views on taxes, and i think it's happening and ben stein's earlier point, it's there. and deeply disturbing, where is it, not only there's a lack of result to slowing what is the growth to spend because there's no cutting going on.